Sandisk Q1 FY2026 earnings conference call
Key Takeaways (AI-Generated)
Financial Performance
- Revenue of $2.3 billion, up 21% sequentially and 23% year-over-year, exceeding guidance
- Non-GAAP earnings per share of $1.22, up from $0.29 prior quarter, beating guidance
- Non-GAAP gross margin of 29.9%, up 350 basis points sequentially
- Generated $448 million adjusted free cash flow with net cash position of $91 million
Business Highlights
- Data center revenue up 26% sequentially with hyperscaler customer momentum
- BiX 8 technology reached 15% of total bits shipped, targeting majority by fiscal 2026 end
- Two hyperscaler qualifications underway for Stargate storage-focused SSD product line
- Consumer business strong with Nintendo Switch co-branded Micro SD exceeding 900,000 units sold
Financial Guidance
- Q2 revenue guidance $2.55-2.65 billion from double-digit price increases and mid-single digit bit growth
- Q2 non-GAAP gross margin guidance 41-43% from higher pricing and cost tailwinds
- Q2 non-GAAP EPS forecast $3.00-3.40 assuming 155 million fully diluted shares
- Startup costs decreasing from $61 million Q1 to $30 million Q2 to zero
Opportunities
- Data center market expansion expected to become largest NAND market in calendar 2026
- BiX 8 technology enabling high-capacity, power-efficient SSDs for AI infrastructure
- Strategic partnerships with hyperscale customers seeking long-term supply commitments through 2027
- Operational efficiency gains from 100% fab utilization eliminating underutilization costs
Risks
- Market competition from supply constraints across all end markets requiring strategic allocation
- Demand expected to exceed supply through end of calendar 2026 and beyond
Full Transcript (AI-Generated)
Operator
Good day and welcome to the SanDisk First Quarter Fiscal 2026 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press * then one on a touch tone phone. To withdraw your question, please press * then 2. Please note this event is being recorded.
I would now like to turn the conference over to Ivan Donaldson, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Ivan Donaldson
Before we begin, please note that today's discussion will contain forward-looking statements based on management's current assumptions and expectations, which are subject to various risks and uncertainties. These forward-looking statements include expectations for our technology and product portfolio, our business plans and performance, market trends and opportunities, and our future financial results. We assume no obligation to update these statements.
Please refer to our Annual report on Form 10K and our other filings with the SEC for more information on the risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations. We will also make reference to non GAAP financial measures. Today, reconciliations between the non GAAP and comparable GAAP financial measures are included in written materials posted in the Investor Relations section of our website. With that, I'll turn the call over to David.
David
Thanks, Ivan. Good afternoon and thank you for joining Sandisk's first quarter fiscal year 2026 earnings call. SanDisk delivered a strong quarter with revenue of $2.3 billion, up sequentially 21% and non GAAP earnings per share of $1.22. We generated 448 million in adjusted free cash flow and closed the quarter in a net cash position of $91,000,000.
As discussed in February during our Analyst Day, we are focused on growing revenue, expanding margins and generating sustainable free cash flow to create shareholder value and we are executing that plan. Our results reflect the strong execution by the Sanders team in an environment marked by strengthening demand across our end markets.
In the first quarter, demand for our NAND products continue to outpace our supply, a dynamic we expect to persist through the end of calendar year 26 and beyond. In response, we are making strategic allocation decisions to maximize long term value creation. We are focused on advancing our technology road map and strengthening customer partnerships to deliver the right products to the right applications and customers.
Customers are proactively seeking long term commitments given the critical nature of our technology and to secure continued access to our products. These priorities are expected to deliver durable and attractive financial results while unlocking the strength of our broad product portfolio with investments in data centers and AI infrastructure expected to surpass $1 trillion by 2030.
The demand for NAND storage products capable of processing large volumes of data quickly and efficiently is increasing dramatically, creating a strong tailwind for our high capacity power efficient SSDs enabled by our Bix 8 technology. BIX 8 which delivers industry leading capacity, IO performance and energy efficiency accounted for 15% of total bits shipped and is expected to reach majority of bit production exiting fiscal year 26.
Our Bix 8 products are expected to enable us to grow our data center business while further strengthening our positioning in the edge and consumer markets. Let's dive into the first quarter results by business. Our data center business gained momentum with revenue up 26% sequentially as global hyperscaler, neocloud and OEM customers are seeking to deepen their partnership with SanDisk.
Our storage focused SSD product line code name Stargate is growing in demand with two hyperscaler qualifications underway and a third hyperscaler along with the major storage OEM plan for calendar year 26. Across the data center portfolio, we are working with five major hyperscale customers through active sales and strategic engagements.
In Edge we are seeing positive momentum from a PC refresh cycle aided by Windows. An adoption and Windows 10 end of life PC unit shipments are expected to grow low single digits with mid single digit growth in capacity per device in calendar years 25 and 26. Beyond PC, premium smartphones are delivering modest unit growth supported by new model launches featuring enhanced generative AI capabilities.
Average smartphone capacity per device is expected to grow high single digits in calendar years 25 and 26. Looking ahead, we expect continued momentum in Edge as device upgrades accelerate, driving increasing NAND content. Ongoing supply and demand dynamics are expected to extend the need to strategically place bits as mentioned above as customers across data center and edge seek higher performance AI inference capabilities.
Demand for innovative solutions to address AI inference storage has increased interest in what our high bandwidth flash, our HBF technology will deliver. Building on the technical Advisory Board and ecosystem partnership with SK Hynix we announced last quarter, we are actively engaging potential customers for inference applications in both data center and edge.
As we enter the holiday period, we are also well positioned to capture strong seasonal demand. With our refreshed consumer portfolio and significant presence across key retail and online channels, we are engaging with the gaming and creator communities to sustain our momentum. Our recently launched Memory Man campaign is creating lots of interest and excitement strengthening brand relevance ahead of the holiday season.
Also in consumer, our partnerships with leading companies like Nintendo remain strong with solid adoption of our Co branded Switch to Micro SD express card which eclipsed 900,000 units sold in fiscal Q1. We are also expanding our presence in the handheld gaming sector with the new SanDisk Micro SD for ROG Xbox Ali, reinforcing our position in gaming storage.
Our consumer business remains a major focus for the company, driving revenue growth and attractive margin through cycles. In summary, it's a new era for SanDisk. We have a strong balance sheet and industry leading product portfolio and a clear technology road map that drives organic strategic customer engagements.
As we help power one of the most transformative technology mega trends of our time. Driven by accelerated AI proliferation, we are confident in our ability to create significant and sustainable value for our customers and shareholders. With that, I'll turn the call over to Louise to dive deeper into our financial performance and guidance.
Louise
Thank you, David. Let's dive deeper into the quarter results. Revenue for the first quarter was 2300 and $8 million, up 21% quarter over quarter and up 23% year over year. This compares favorably to our guidance of 2.1 to $2.2 billion. Bits were up mid teens sequentially with pricing up mid single digits. Pricing strengthened during the quarter, higher than expected bit growth enabled the revenue over delivery.
Before reviewing the details by market, I will share that we will be aligning the names for our end markets to match the nomenclature commonly used in the industry. Going forward, we will use data center to refer to the business that's comprised primarily of our products for public and private cloud environment. We used to refer to this business as cloud.
We'll use Edge to refer to the business that serves our original equipment manufacturer and channel customers with a broad array of high performance flash solutions across computer, mobile, gaming, automotive, virtual reality headset and other edge devices. We used to refer to this business as client. We will continue to use consumer to refer to the business that contains our broad range of retail and other end user products, which capitalizes on the strength of our product brand recognition and vast point of presence around the world.
In the first quarter, we saw strong sequential demand across all end markets. Edge revenue came in at 1300 and $87 million of 26% sequentially. Consumer revenue came in at $652 million of 11% quarter to quarter and data center came in at $269 million of 26% sequentially.
Non GAAP gross margin for the first quarter was 29.9%, up 350 basis points for over 1/4. This compares favorably to our guidance of 28.5 to 29.5%. The incremental revenue drove the higher than expected gross margins. In the first quarter we incurred $61 million in startup cost and $11 million in underutilization charges. Excluding this cost, non GAAP gross margin would have been 33.1%.
Non GAAP operating expenses for the first quarter were $446 million, which is higher than our guidance of 415 to $430 million. Operating expenses were above guidance mostly driven by higher variable compensation from the revenue over delivery versus plan. As a result, non GAAP operating margins at 10.6% were up 530 basis points quarter over quarter.
Non GAAP EPS for the first quarter were $1.22 cents, up from $0.29 in the prior quarter. This compares favorably to our guidance of 70 to $0.90. The non GAAP EPS beat reflects a higher than expected revenue and gross margins and a more favorable tax rate.
Key gap to non GAAP reconciliation items include $47 million in stock based compensation net of taxes which represents 2% of revenue, $9 million in separation charges and $17 million in one time costs related to the FDSS transaction and separation from Western Digital.
Moving on to the balance sheet, we closed the quarter with 1400 and $42 million in cash and cash equivalents and 1300 and $51 million in gross debt. We achieved a net cash position approximately 6 months faster than the target share during Investor Day in February, driven by strong cash focus in a robust market.
During the quarter, we paid an additional $500 million of our TLB and reduced our inventory days from 135 to 115 as demand exceeded supply. Moving on to free cash flow. During the quarter, we generated $448 million in adjusted free cash flow, which represents 19.4% free cash flow margin.
This included $488 million cash from operations and $10 million cash received from our activities related to flash ventures, partially offset by $50 million invested in our back end operation and offices. The $10 million received from our operations related to flash ventures includes $337,000,000 in gross CapEx with $107 million from the through depreciation as part of our cost of goods sold and $240 million funded from external sources mainly subsidies and equipment leasing.
All together our gross capital expenditures totaled $387,000,000 and represents 16.8% of revenue. Moving on to guidance for the second quarter, we expect revenue between 2500 and $50 million and 2600 and $50 million due to double digit price increases and mid single did bit growth.
Consistent with our expectations, we anticipate demand for our products with exceed supply throughout the end of the calendar 2026. Based on current supply and demand dynamics, we believe demand for our products will exceed supply beyond that. Our products are currently on allocation across all end markets. Recall, the third quarter is a seasonally lower volume.
For our consumer business following the holidays, our forecast for non GAAP gross margin for the second quarter is between 41 and 43% from higher pricing and cost tailwinds. This estimate includes an expected $30 million in startup costs. For the second quarter, we expect non GAAP operating expenses between 450 and $475 million.
The incremental operating expenses are to support our data center business expansion and our HBF innovation. We expect non GAAP interest and other expense between 40 and $45,000,000 and non GAAP tax expenses between 80 and $90,000,000. We forecast non GAAP EPS for the second quarter between $3 and $3.40, assuming 155,000,000 fully diluted shares.
The higher diluted share count in the second quarter is driven by the increase in the stock price. Following the treasury model, we expect to generate positive free cash flow in the second quarter despite capital investments to enable the big save transition, which is expected to be our most significant note by the end of the fiscal year.
Our fiscal 2026 CapEx plans remain unchanged along with the long term strategy to grow supply in line with the market assuming bid demand compound annual growth rate in the mid to high teens. Our capital allocation priorities are consistent with what we shared during Investor Day in February.
Our first priority was to achieve a net cash position which we have now accomplished through strong cash generation. Going forward, our capital allocation is unchanged and we expect to continue to invest in the business and return cash to shareholders. We're executing the strategies and plans that we shared with you in February and the results are coming in as anticipated with revenue growth, margin expansion and more efficient use of assets.
We remain focused on creating sustainable value for customers and shareholders with continued prudent management of the business. With that, let me turn the call back to David.
David
Thank you, Louise. In summary, Sanders delivered a strong start to the fiscal year, underscoring the success of our strategy to drive profitable growth, expand margins and generate sustainable free cash flow. Our solid execution amidst robust demand positioned us well for continued momentum across the data center edge.
In consumer markets, our ongoing qualifications and strategic engagements with key hyperscale customers the growing adoption of our high capacity, power efficient enterprise SSDs. As we move through the remainder of fiscal 2026, our focus remains on disciplined capital allocation, operational excellence and delivering differentiated technology that meets evolving customer needs.
We are well positioned with industry leading technology and products, healthy long term market fundamentals, a strong balance sheet and an efficient operating model to create substantial value for our shareholders. Our technology is arriving at exactly the right time when the market is ready, the demand is real and the opportunity to drive meaningful earnings power is just starting. With that, we will open the call for questions.
Operator
We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press * then one on your touch tone phone. If you were using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw the question, please press * then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster.
Our first question comes from CJ Muse with Cantor Fitzgerald. Please go ahead.
CJ Muse
Yeah, thank you for taking the question. I guess Dave, you spoke to a customer engagement evolving now that we're an allocation and you know very well how that's transpired in the HD world moving from bill to order followed by long term agreements. So curious, you know, are you seeing similar trends emerge here in NAND? How does your visibility extend and how are you allocating the bits that you can produce?
David
Yeah, So I'll let Louise talk about the allocation, but yeah, CJ, it's good to hear from you. First of all, thanks for being on the call. I would say there's kind of two phases of how we're hearing from customers and what they're reaching out about. There's a phase where we're striking deals that are multi quarters, let's say through the first half of next calendar year, their volume and price kind of deals where customers are looking for certainty of supply.
And so you know, that's a little bit different than what we've seen in the past where everything is usually just quarter by quarter based. But is especially as data center starts to grow, those customers are reaching out proactively and providing visibility all the way through calendar year 27 of what their demand is going to be.
And kind of want to have conversations on how we could line up our supply to that demand given the product, you know, the emerging product line we have that's under qualification across all those players. So it is a very different time. I say it, it's still fairly nascent, especially that second phase of it.
And we'll be having those conversations over the next several months and keep you updated on how that goes. But I think it's certainly a very welcome development in this market. As you know, this is a market where we have to make very long term CapEx decisions and you know demand over the next quarter or two or three doesn't really move the CapEx number.
We're looking for what demand is going to be over the next, you know many years. So having these conversations with what is emerging as the largest customers in the market is as I said, a very welcome development will be engaging in those conversations more deeply over the next several months. So Luis, you want to talk about allocation?
Louise
Yeah, CJ, we're working very closely with our customers. We talk to them all the time. And what we're doing is we're prioritizing our most of the customers, those customers that have been very close to us, those customers where we see growth, those customers where we can create value for them and value for us, right.
And that's how we're evolving our portfolio. We're going from a mobile centric company to really serve our customers and we're seeing some very strong growth in our data center business. So we're very excited about the opportunity that this presents to us, but working very closely with our customers, particularly those more strategic to us.
CJ Muse
As a quick follow up, how are you thinking about your big shipment growth opportunities here in calendar 2526? Your day's inventory down to only 107 days and you know VIX aid is just kind of ramping. How are you thinking about, you know what, what kind of bits you can ship this year next?
Louise
Yeah, our goal is to keep our market share right. We're not here to disrupt the market, but we're very optimistic about where things are heading. We're doing well in our client portfolio. We're doing very well on the consumer business and we are very optimistic that we can build our business in data center where we are under represented and we've talked this in previous meetings.
So and the way to do this is through innovation. We have big state coming in, we're getting qualification with our products. So we feel good about our market share on bits across the market. So, CJ, well, as Louise, just to add a little bit to I mean Louise as he you know, rightly said, we're looking and we plan to grow along with the market and you know, we've got the capital plans to support that.
David
We're investing is suiting that mid, mid to high teens level of demand on the long term. And then you know, as demand exceeds that, we'll go, we'll talk about the allocation phases that we talked about. But as I said earlier in the first part of your question, we're optimistic that our customers are starting to look further down the road as far as what their demand is.
And I think that helps this whole equation. But we're definitely growing along with the market. We have our capital plans and they remain unchanged.
CJ Muse
Thank you.
David
Thanks, CJ.
Operator
Our next question comes from Jim Schneider with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Jim Schneider
Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. You know, just structurally obviously we're in the in a supply constrained scenario and I think a lot of customers are clearly asking for supplies you kind of talked about. So maybe you just kind of give us your view on, you know, over the next couple of years, you know, the supply situation you expect to deliver, you know, whether that's just through upgrades at this point and what would make you decide to add wafer capacity over the next coming years?
David
Yeah. So first of all, on the overall environment, I think we've been talking for, I don't know, at least a year now that we saw an undersupplied market through the end of 26. And that's mainly focused on looking at, you know, long term demand trends and then what capital has been invested in this business over, you know, the last several years and you know, factoring in nodal transitions of all the players in the market.
So you know, as we said in the prepared remarks, we're now seeing that push out beyond 26 just given these conversations we had earlier where customers are coming to us looking for 27 supply. So we've kind of planned for this market, it's hard to call sometimes on 1/4 by quarter basis, but we've seen this set up for quite some time.
As far as what does it take, you know we're not at the phase of talking about additional capital in this business. We're investing a significant amount of capital as Louise said to do the Bix 8 transition. We have a very, very strong technology road map where we can increase productivity and bit supply without increasing wafers.
When you start to get into that kind of discussion, which we're not at, quite frankly, it's where we need to. It's not about what demands going to be next year or the year after that if we're going to add capacity. We got to see demand for a long period of time. So we've zeroed in on that mid to high teens.
Clearly we're above that right now, but that's the long term, that's the long term number we're investing to.
Jim Schneider
That's helpful. Thank you. And then maybe relative to your position in enterprise s s, DS, I think you gave some targets at the time of your separation in terms of your ambitions in that market. Maybe give us an update on how the qualifications are going and as if you look into the end of 2026 or 2027, what percentage market share you might hope to attain and what how big a part of the business that might be?
David
Yeah. So we're very, very happy with where the business is. It's driven by where the product portfolio is. We talked about our Stargate program which is storage based enterprise s s, DS, we talked about that our Analyst day those products are now in customers hands and starting qualifications, the 128 T drives and we'll be moving up from there.
Those are the you know part of the products where people are talking up, talking to us already about supply several years out. So you know they feel good about the products, we feel good about the products. We also have our compute focused enterprise SSD which continues to do very well and the number of customers deploying that continues to broaden.
So all of the right things are happening to move the portfolio in the right direction and move how much we're shipping in the right direction. Look, I think you're going to see about, you know, what our plan is, you're going to see increasing sales in, in this segment sequentially throughout FY20 6.
I think we'll end the fiscal year in a, in a strong position from an exit rate point of view. It's a bit of, it's a difficult market right now to completely start talking about market share because the market is very dynamic, the markets grow. You know, it's almost like every week or two are our estimates for calendar year 26 demand in the data center market move around and they're all moving up.
When we're sitting here. Three months ago we thought our forecast was data center exabytes would increase mid 20, mid 20% level in 26. We've now upped at the mid 40% in 26. So the market's moving very quickly and you know what our goal is get a get our fair share of that market.
We think the product portfolio is exactly in the right spot. We think BIX 8 is absolutely the right node to drive that across performance and density. And you're going to see this whole story play out in the numbers as we move through calendar year 26.
Jim Schneider
Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from Aaron Rakers with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Aaron Rakers
Yeah, thanks for taking the question. Apologize for the background noise here. I guess my first question is that, you know, just building on the last one, David, you know, there's been a lot of discussion around our dish drives being supply constrained and what seems to be kind of an inflecting, you know, AI narrative around enterprise SSDs.
I'm curious to how you assess kind of the enterprise SSD market opportunity relative of the hard disk drives. Is that as your thought process changed at all? Has the shortages and hard drives on a nearline perspective driven any kind of change of engagements on those opportunities?
David
Yeah, I mean, you know, my primary view on this, Aaron, is, you know we've talked about this for a long time, maybe years and years going back to when we ran both franchises. Is this, these are primarily complementary technologies in the cloud and, and we're definitely seeing kind of rising tide lifting all boats.
And I do think you have a dynamic that you know with AI more data is getting warmer and warmer data moves to enterprise SSDs. So I've always thought that both technologies are going to grow and enterprise SSD is going to grow faster. Is it a substitution question? Is it one or the other bases based on some shortages or tightness in one market versus the other overtime there could there could be some of that dynamic going on.
But I think the long term drivers for enterprise SSD are extremely strong In the data center. We're seeing more data being stored all the time. The value of data is going higher as it's being used to train more and more models. And now we're seeing, you know, the video creation models getting much, much more sophisticated and just driving, you know, even faster creation of data.
So obviously we're very bullish long term on the data center market. I think the man market is going through a very interesting. Transition right now, I mean calendar year 26 will be the first time that data center market is the largest market in NAND. That's always been the mobile market.
And so you're we're seeing a major inflection there. The growth rate is higher. It's now going to be the biggest segments of the market. And it's also a, you know, from a customer point of view, it's a it's a more diverse market. So I think that changes the dynamics of the way that, you know, the conversations with customers, the way purchasing decisions are made, pricing visibility, all those things I think are changing before our eyes as the data center market emerges as the largest market in.
And and you know, the corollary to that is the customers behind that are are, you know, if you look out at their 27 exabyte demand numbers we're talking about, they're very, very big numbers. So, you know, I think all that says it's a very good market, very, you know, better visibility, growing visibility for enterprise SSD, you know, is some of that because what's happening in HDD, maybe it is, but I don't think that's the primary driver of what's going on here and what's going to happen over the next several years.
Aaron Rakers
Yeah, but that that's very helpful. And then Louise, if I can real quick, I mean in your prepared comments you alluded to seasonality or just be aware of seasonality into the March quarter. You know, can you kind of unpack that? What should we be thinking about? Are we down sequentially in the March quarter? It seems like you know pricing you know, could continue to trend higher and how do we think about kind of feathering out the start up costs as we move forward? Thank you.
Louise
Yeah, So let me start with the last part of your question. Startup costs consistent with what we said in the last call, we went from 60 million last quarter to call it 30 million this quarter to pretty much 0 going forward. So that's, that's easy to, to, to, to put into your forecast.
Now I want to guide into Q3, but, but I did want you to be careful as you build your models in Q3. If you look at historically, right, our bids are down in Q3 somewhere around 12 to 14% sequentially. Now the dynamics in the market may be a little bit different because data center is stronger and, and therefore the mix of our, of our portfolio is slightly different.
But I want you to be careful and and just assume that there is some seasonality which is particularly important for us given that we have a stronger consumer business.
Aaron Rakers
Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from Joe Moore with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Joe Moore
Great, thank you so much. I wonder if you could characterize some of this data center demand that you're seeing. Is there demand for QLC on the enterprise side and how much of this QLC? And can you talk a little bit about how BIX 8 enables you to kind of increase your presence in that market?
David
Yeah, Joe, I would say I don't have a split for you across QLC and TLC, but it, you know, there's these two primary use cases, which is what we, you know, the compute enterprise SSD, which is a TLC faster interface. We have good demand for that across the across our customer base. We have a lot of customers coming in looking for upsides on that.
And then you've got the storage class product 128 T is what we're qualifying, which is a QLC product and you know Bix 8 QLC very, very energy efficient, high performance. So we think that node is extremely well positioned in FY20 6. I got actually do have some numbers here QLC going from 20 to 40% of the market by the end of our our business by the end of FY20 6.
So definitely seeing strong growth in that, that storage category as that product gets qualified in the market.
Joe Moore
Great, thank you. And and then as you described the market, I would have to think that the fabs are all running full and NAND at this point, but you didn't mention under utilization expense. Do you think there's any incremental supply coming from the fact that people you know had underutilized the fabs earlier in the year? And just how does that affect your view of 26?
Louise
Yeah, we've moved to 100% utilization, Joe. So after running as as a full capacity and we keep on pushing them as much as we can because as you, as you've seen inventories are down, you know, very meaningfully. So. So yeah, we're running full capacity, Joe.
David
So Joe, just put some numbers around it. I mean we see supply growth. We saw supply growth in calendar year 25 about 8%. We see it at about 17% in in 26. We see demand, constrained demand around 14% because that's what you know mid teens because that's what that's all that's out there.
From a supply point of view, but unconstrained demand is in the you know, we literally a couple of weeks ago we thought it was 20, it's probably mid 20s by now. So you know, we see, we see the supply pretty much being able to service that kind of mid teens level demand for 26.
Joe Moore
Thank you.
David
Thanks, Joe.
Operator
Our next question comes from Mark Newman with Bernstein. Please go ahead.
Mark Newman
Hi, thanks for taking my question and Congrats on the great quarter. So just digging a bit deeper into the supply demand dynamic, seems like things are going great. I wondered. If you could give us a little bit more clarity on the portion of your contracts that are shorter term versus longer term because obviously longer term contracts as was discussed a little bit earlier has has a lot of positives in terms of giving you more, more confidence in, in the demand for longer term.
But on the other hand, when you're talking about pricing, some of the pricing data out there is inflecting up significantly right now, but longer term contracts may not actually reflect obviously because they're longer term contracts. So I just wondered if you could break out for us what portion would be shorter term, say 1/4 or less or what what portion would be 6 quarters would be useful. And I have AI have a follow up on HPF as well.
Louise
Yeah, thank you for for the question. Yeah. So, so we don't have volume and price. We have very little volume price commitments that that are you know beyond 1/4. So, so that's what what we refer to in our prepared remarks is what we are hearing now from our some of our very strategic customers, very large customers is they they want to assurance on supply.
So they have approached us willing to start some of those conversations to to see there is a volume, volume price commitment that we can agree for, for the year, potentially for longer. So we're going through that process. But today as we think stand, we have very, very little volume and price commitments that expand 1/4.
Mark Newman
OK, great. Thanks. So thanks for that. And then if you could give any more clarity on the road map for HPF high bandwidth flash, You, you, you discussed earlier in the prepared remarks about starting to work with some customers, any updates on potential timeline there? Thanks very much.
David
So we're on, you know, we announced the timeline last quarter of having the the memory later in 26 and then having the controller for that in, in 27. We're still working towards that timeline. You know, we have a robust set of customer conversations going looking at use cases both in edge and cloud of how that product can be integrated into the architectures that that customers are building across those, across devices and the cloud.
So we're very optimistic about the technology and where it's headed in the use cases. And you know, we continue to do the work on the technology and have a good set of conversations with a number of customers about how it can be deployed and and you know, zeroing in on the use cases, which helps you really dial in all the requirements. So work in progress.
Mark Newman
Thanks so much.
David
Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from Carl Ackerman with BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.
Carl Ackerman
Yes, thank you. I have two as well, please. As you seek to qualify more hyperscalers on your enterprise SSD portfolio, would you anticipate simply transitioning client and edge wafer capacity to Enterprise Oregon? Would that come primarily from a new capacity coming online on your K2 fab?
David
No, it'll you know we get look we're always again we're growing bits all the time because we're growing with the market and we do not plan to add capacity for any particular market. It will simply be a mixed question either on 1/4 by quarter basis or you know if there's obviously if we get to the point where there's longer term commitments then we'll have more visibility into what that mix is going to look like.
But as I've talked about quite a bit, our whole goal is as much optionality as possible and then mix for the best financial return in any given. Quarter with the, with the supply we have available.
Carl Ackerman
Got it. Thank you, David for my follow up. I guess how should we think about cost declines going into the December quarter? And if we zoom out, is it fair to assume cost declines can't approach, I, I suppose high teens as you transition aggressively toward fixate? Thank you.
David
Yeah, we, we we stopped talking about cost declines a while back as you know, but we'll give give you some a little bit of maybe runway lights around it. So you know, we work we're coming out of a period where we've had quite a bit of cost headwinds in the business and we've been pretty clear about that over the last several quarters.
And now we're transitioning to the big state ramp. We're getting the underutilization cost behind us, we're getting the fab startup cost behind us. So in the December quarter, those cost headwinds turn into cost tailwinds, which is a great place to be as we ramp X8.
We'll we'll continue to get some cost out of it. But again, the, the, the costs are more idiosyncratic on 1/4 by quarter basis. And and and you know, we don't want to put an overall number out there, but the numbers you're talking about are, are pretty aggressive, too aggressive.
Louise
Yeah, Carl, our focus is obviously on driving our gross margin and, and we feel good about the progress we're making here, right. We added whatever 350 basis points, quarter of a quarter, 720 basis points in two quarters. Still you would say we're four quarters below our model. So we we need to get several quarters ahead of that number, but we're very focused on gross margin and driving that up.
Carl Ackerman
Very clear. Thank you.
David
Thanks, Carl.
Operator
Our next question comes from Mehdi Husseini from SIG. Please go ahead.
Mehdi Husseini
Yes, thanks for taking my question. To follow up, what's the update on the ultra QLC 256 terabyte? I think last earning call you said that you have A1 tier one data center customer that should be ramping in the first half of calendar year. And what's the update there? And I have a follow up.
David
No, that was the, that was the 1:28 that we're going to be ramping in calendar year 26. And we'll move, you know that that 256 is a, we'll start hitting the market, no mid to late next year and ramp the following year is the most likely timing for that. I again, I want to be careful getting into product timing. That's not announced, but the qualification that's going on across Stargate right now is the 128 T drives.
Mehdi Husseini
OK. So you have one customer for 1/28 that should be ramping the first half of calendar year.
David
We have multiple, we have multiple customers under qualification now. We have customers lined up for qualifications next year and you'll see ramping as you know, qualifications can take quite a bit of time as you know several quarters. So you'll start to see the ramp of that product mid, mid next year across all of our enterprise SSD portfolio where we're working with, you know, it's like we said in the prepared remarks, 5 hyper scalers across all the, all the different technology we're building. So we feel we feel very good about there's much broader adoption that goes, it happens quarter over quarter.
Mehdi Husseini
Gotcha. And as a follow up, assuming that there won't be much of A wafer capacity at at the JV, should we assume that as this 5 or as the 128 terabyte ramps middle of next year, you would allocate more bits towards this as customers and therefore there will be a more accelerate mix shift towards the cloud mix?
David
Yeah, I mean we don't we want to don't get too far ahead of ourselves on forecasting quarters, but that's you know what I said is you're going to see sequential growth in our data center portfolio throughout fiscal year 26. And so you can assume you're assume you're going to see an exabyte shift in in that direction as well.
Louise
And remember, even if we don't produce more wafers, those big state wafers contain a lot more bets, right. So that productivity allows you to produce more bits and therefore to supply more of our customers.
Mehdi Husseini
Got it, Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from Wamsi Mohan from Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Analyst
All right, thanks for taking my questions. It's group blue filling in. For WAMSI today I have two, one for Dave on bit growth. Dave, you had. Strong mid teens bit growth in the first quarter. Can you talk about how you're thinking about? Bit growth across the different markets data center, client, consumer in. The second-half and you talked about some products in allocation, should we assume that's across the product line and I'm assuming all of these orders are non cancellable. So any any comments on the expected growth by end market in the second-half and and which products are in allocation? And I have a follow up for Louise on margins.
Louise
You want to take that one, you want me to, I can, yeah. So, so we feel good about our growth across across segments with the data center is the segment, you know the end market that's growing the fastest and therefore we expect to grow there faster in the back half know as David alluded to at the beginning. But we do expect, you know to continue to make progress on on both the consumer and the edge market. So I would say our growth will be a little bit heavier on or or higher on the data centers and market.
Analyst
OK, OK, that's helpful. And Louise, if I can follow up on margins, looks like you said in the first quarter X the start up cost and under utilization the gross margin. Would have been 33.1%. You're guiding at the midpoint about 900 bibs. Sorry. Yeah, very strong, 900 bits of growth. In sequentially, so can you talk about, you know, what are the factors that are going into there? Should we expect another round of price increases? What is the factor? How much is mix a factor to that? And I think you said they're no more under utilization costs and you're not talking about cost down. So are these the only two factors or is there FX or some other thing also that are that is impacting margins which you know you've, you've got a very strong guide. Thank you for all the details.
Louise
Yeah, if you're comparing the 33 versus the 4143%, you're comparing that already excluding startup costs under utilization. So you're looking at it the right way. I would say the majority of that is, is the pricing that we were implementing. In my prepared remarks, I mentioned that during the quarter we saw an improvement in pricing during the quarter.
So the the margins at the end of the quarter were better than the margins at the beginning of the quarter and we expect that to continue. So pricing is a key, a key driver of that. And obviously as we as we shift more into big state, we'll see lower cost per GB. Again, that's not an area we want to spend a ton of time talking about, but we do see a little bit of a benefit there. So combine the two, we feel we feel good about our gross margin expansion, which should continue.
Analyst
Thanks for all the details. Appreciate it.
Louise
Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from Asia Merchant from Citigroup. Please go ahead.
Asia Merchant
Great, thanks for taking my question. Can I just clarify on the guide at the midpoint, I think it's 2.6 and I think that's up like you know low double digits. I thought pricing in itself was up low double digits. So if you could just clarify that for us and you're still looking for bit growth unless I'm missing something here in my calculation, then I have a follow up. Thank you.
Louise
Yeah, it depends on where you're looking at the midpoint, the high point, the low point. But yeah, we expect pricing to be double digits and we expect some low, low single digit bits growth as we mentioned in our guide, you know inventory levels are are low as you've seen. That's kind of the construct, right. So depending on which range you're looking at, that would be the combination of of bids versus pricing. So I think the key message is most of the growth, growth in in revenue would be pricing driven quarter.
Asia Merchant
OK, thank you. And then just for my follow up, a lot of questions on the data center, but just wanted to you know if I heard David correctly on the edge, the client PC and the mobile phones, you know the just the confidence as we look into calendar 26 on the growth there. I think some of the expectations on unit growth were a little bit higher then maybe some industry is forecasting. So just if you could click on, you know what's driving the confidence there on the edge devices, particularly PCs and mobile phones. Thank you.
David
Yeah, I mean, so you know, phones we've got you know, units up slightly, but content per unit up double digits. So that's a strong number across, you know, 1.2 X billion units. And then you got PCs basically flat to slightly up and then you got at we got average capacity up mid single digit.
So you've got, you know, that's that's good exabyte growth across those markets. And then you know, on top of that you've got what we've talked a lot about with the X bike growth in in data center. But you know, there's one of the great things about the Nan market, it's very diversified.
You know, Nan plays everywhere. There's these three very large pillars in in the market and we're seeing growth, growth out of all of them and really very, very strong growth out of the data center as we've talked about. And again, that's, so I said earlier it it's just very interesting to see the data center now emerge as on an exabyte basis and 26 will be the largest market in NAND.
And I think that's bringing some fundamental change to the way the market works. And I think we're going to see that play out over the next couple of quarters.
Asia Merchant
Great, thank you.
David
Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from Steven Fox with Fox Advisors. Please go ahead.
Steven Fox
Hi, good afternoon. I just had one question for Dave. I guess I'm trying to figure out like how some of these long term agreements might play out. I mean, it seems like we're at a historic impasse with NAND and the demand coming from the cloud guys. So I don't know if you want to give any of this away, David. But like is there any kind of values that we should think about in these negotiations, whether it's sharing of cyclical risk, sharing of cash CapEx, things like that, anything you could sort of talk about? And then how does that trickle down to like? You know, customers that aren't lucky enough to be able to have longer term supply agreements. Thanks.
David
So Steve, Steven, I think it's a little early to get into that level of detail. I think the key issue is, is, it's, it's the customers reaching out to us, right. And as I said a couple times on this call, you know is data center emerges as the largest market in the again, all the markets are very, very important and all the customers are very important.
But is he's really big players. You are looking at their Rd. maps and and looking at their businesses. They're proactively reaching out now all the way into 27 and want to talk to us about supply across our portfolio. So it is just a different dynamic. I think we're working to to have conversations with them to understand what those relationships could look like. It's very welcome.
You know, again I said, as I said earlier, we have to make very long, long range decisions when we spend money and we're certainly you know we're certainly have an enormous R&D capacity that's working on you know two or three nodes in the future for to drive growth in this technology.
So we're making very long term investments and to see our customers proactively and what is becoming the largest customers proactively reaching out and talking about multi year supply dynamics is I think a very healthy sign exactly how that's going to get worked out. I think it's a stay tuned kind of message where we're we're we're kind of in the early stages of those conversations.
Steven Fox
Got it, Fair enough. Thank you very much.
David
Thanks.
Operator
Our next question comes from Krish Sankar with TD Cohen. Please go ahead.
Krish Sankar
Yeah, hi, thanks for taking my question. I had two of them. First one, David Lewis, your data center revenues grew very nicely. I'm just wondering, is there a way to figure out how much of that is related to AI data centre, the near clouds, this is traditional cloud cloud. Is there a way to put a percentage around it or is it all majority AI and then add a follow up?
David
Yeah, I would say it's majority AI driven growth.
Krish Sankar
Got it. And then I think David, you kind of talked about a 40% K growth next year's for data centre exabytes and then even better growth in 27. I'm just curious, is that the right way to think about it? Data center is a 300 plus exabyte market this year going to mid 400 to 600 plus in 27.
David
Yeah, we've got it, you know as a high three hundreds number for 26. So yeah, that's healthy growth over over what we saw in 25. Remember going back to 24, we saw 130% year over year growth in that market. That was a 200, like around a 230 number, followed up by high teens and 25.
And we're going to, we're going to put on top of that, you know, a mid 40s number in in 26. So yeah, it's it, it, it's healthy growth in that market. And as I said, we're seeing those customers really start to change the dynamics of of kind of structurally how we think about this whole supply demand.
Krish Sankar
Got it. Thanks, Dave.
David
More to come, more to come.
Krish Sankar
Gotcha.
Operator
Our next question comes from Nam Kim with Arit Research. Please go ahead.
Nam Kim
Thanks for taking my question. I also have a two question on HD app. I know it's still early, but how do you see the long term growth potential and can you provide any qualitative color or early markets sizing? And then second, how are you approaching this given competitors greater TSB stacking experience from HBM, what competitive advantages do you think of SanDisk can bring to HBF? Thank you.
David
Yeah. So I think on both of those questions, I'm going to defer. We'll talk more about the market potential and kind of the Tam numbers and all the things you're talking about. I mean, just to reinforce, this is an inference based solution. We're not going after the model training side. We're not trying to replace HBHBM in that market, but we do believe there's a very large opportunity in the inference market, especially on the device market, given the footprint of of what the density we can get out of flash as far as what is the, what is our competitive advantage.
And again, I think we'll wait on that as well. We've done a lot of work on on the actual NAND design itself. And I think I said this a couple quarters ago. I mean, one way to think about it is NAND designers are always thinking about how they expand density. That's like been the number one thing. How do I get more bits out of how I design Nan?
And, and when you actually start asking folks to start thinking about well, how do I get higher bandwidth all these kinds of questions turns out you can do how do I make the technology more durable? You know, we've been thinking about those questions now for several years and have some design, you know innovations let's say that we think make HBF very compelling technology, but we're we're not ready to talk about what those are publicly.
Nam Kim
OK, thank you.
David
Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from Mark Miller with the Benchmark Co. Please go ahead.
Mark Miller
Thank you for the question and Congrats on a great quarter and great outlook. You're welcome. Just with the with the strong sequential growth you've seen in data center, do you think you're picking up share there?
David
Yeah, we think we're growing faster than the markets growing right. And I think we think we're going to see that throughout the fiscal year.
Mark Miller
OK, thank you.
David
Thank you.
Operator
This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to David for any closing remarks.
David
OK. I just want to thank everybody for joining the call, all the great questions. We look forward to talking to you throughout the quarter. Thanks again.
Operator
The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.
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