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        Q3 P/L Challenge: How do you trade the volatile markets?
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        Risky Short-Dated Out-Of-The-Money SPY Options

        I never recommend trading short dated far out of the money options. It is very risky and is almost always a losing bet when you are trading just about any ticker. Most of the time there is just not enough liquidity, or buyers and sellers, to make an option contract's price move. Even if you chose the correct direction of price action sometimes there are no buyers or sellers to push the price up.
        With a major ETF like $SPDR S&P 500 ETF(SPY.US)$ and $Invesco QQQ Trust(QQQ.US)$ there is tons of options liquidity. Probably more than any other ticker symbols on the market. This provides more opportunities to make some options gains which would not be available on other tickers. Even risky options plays can have some very nice gains.
        Risky Short-Dated Out-Of-The-Money SPY Options
        Typically if you are betting on the correct direction in price action then you would want to purchase options contracts that are already in the money and there is plenty of time before expiration so your options can gain more value. This is the less risky way to play options. But it can be expensive to enter into a trade with this method.
        If you want to prove to somebody that you can make nice gains off of a small amount of capital then it will take a risky options play. You don't want to hold the risky ones long as there is a very small chance of the option breaking even.
        First you must pick the correct direction in price action. Today looked like it wanted to go bearish so I grabbed some very risky put options on SPY after SPY's price had a few good green one minute candles. I waited for a few green candles so that my put contracts would have less premium and be cheaper to purchase. You never want to buy a put for a day trade at the current low of the day. It can be profitable sometimes but you would be essentially paying the highest amount for the day to enter into the trade. That is not how you day trade.
        Risky Short-Dated Out-Of-The-Money SPY Options
        The options were so far out of the money and their expirations were this Friday. They don't get riskier than these. So my position was very small and I took some profit off of the table immediately when my positions went green. Initially I was profiting but with a risky play like this almost any green candles will kill the put options value because the chance of breaking even is so small. But with a ticker that has very high options liquidity every day on many many strike prices then there is always an opportunity to make some money. So my position eventually turned green again and I sold the remainder of my puts near the previous 52-week low after a big green one minute candle appeared.
        Risky Short-Dated Out-Of-The-Money SPY Options
        Personally I would stick to less risky options plays. You will be more profitable that way. And if you like to take risks then never do any risky plays unless there is a ton of options liquidity.
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        The next day was even more profitable with the same strategy. I got even more lucky with this momentous downturn. I only held this only for 15 minutes and received an amazing gain. I could have made more money with more contracts or with a smarter less risky play. But I didn't want to thow down a lot of capital. I just wanted to get a little lunch money. I could have made a little more if I held a little longer but I say that every time anyway so im happy with what I got.
        Risky Short-Dated Out-Of-The-Money SPY Options
        I was not too worried about this risky bet because when the initial dip down started to take place the relative volume increased greatly. You can see that in the volume candles in the picture above. Sometime the volume does not change much with the changing trend. But increasing volume is the best confirmation of a trend.
        Risky Short-Dated Out-Of-The-Money SPY Options
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        • Reakwonnji : Your patience is real.Thumbs Up

        • SpyderCallOP Reakwonnji: i think i got lucky mostly i think because i almost sold at the very low of the day. it was a really risky play too. Watch me be upset tomorrow if spy completely tanks. I always say "i shoulda bought more, I shoulda held longer, or i shoulda sold earlier." I say it almost every day ChuckleHammer

        • 881Huat : Every drop makes an ocean,  well done bro

        • SpyderCallOP 881Huat: Thumbs UpCommando

        • razo2 SpyderCallOP: you had the correct thesis to support it. congrats!

        • WallStreetYoda : are u using voltdx after i askedu what it was 😮i didn’t know what that box was over the last vol candle as if fills so i said screw it and went back to the reg vol

        • 151417017 : $Novonix(NVX.AU)$ 33555

        • The Unlucky Trader : congrats

        • SpyderCallOP WallStreetYoda: that big box is the virtual volume. it spikes up very high on the longer time frame volume candles when there is above average relative volume taking place. If a stock is trading with lower relative volume that virtual volume box will be small or it wont even be bigger than the regular volume candle. sometimes the box spikes up too high and you cant really see the regular volume candles. in that case you would need a regular volume sub-indicator. The virtual volume is unnecessary is you just look at the volume% or the relative volume. Its just a little extra info to have. and whatever volume indicator you have make sure you have a shorter moving average and a longer moving average.

        • SpyderCallOP WallStreetYoda: like on my voldx I have the 9 period moving average and the 20 period moving average on my volume indicator. it makes it easier to see the increase relative volume. and it makes it easier to see when the volume is slowing down. for for example when the 9 moving average on my volume indicator crosses above the 20 then you know the momentum in the volume increase is picking up. when the 9 crosses back below the 20 on my vol indicator then it shows that the volume is slowing down

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